truth

[miranda howe]

just gimme some kinda truth, man

[Sanity]

On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> just gimme some kinda truth, man

Okay, here's a couple of paragraphs from the book I'm writing. You
decide if I've got a handle on "truth" and tell me. Public feedback
solicited. :^)
********************************************************************************

History is a lesson to be learned from, but politicians lie, and well
meaning honest school teachers sometimes pass such lies along by rote;
because of their blind faith in dogma. Winnowing truth from the
dogmatic deceptions of political history is an onus every free
thinking individual must endure, for the alternative is to accept
dictation as true without thinking. At issue is: Truth vis-à-vis mere
Color of Authority; but what is “truth”?

I hold it to be self evident that having blind faith and trust in
anyone or anything, and thinking for one’s self, are antithetical
attitudes. Blind trust cannot see... Acceptance of rote dogma
without verifying its veracity eschews an individual’s responsibility
to think; but, insisting others are bound by such decision dictates to
their reason and attempts to defraud them of their right to Liberty of
conscience and belief. Ipse dixit* truths sound noble, because they
come from Nobles; but verifiable truth is not subject to the whims of
aristocracies, substantive truth is far more reasonably objective.
“Reason obeys itself; Ignorance submits to what is dictated to it.” –
Thomas Paine
* “Ipse dixit” = “He himself said it; a bare assertion resting on the
authority of an individual” – Black’s Law

[miranda howe]

On Sep 6, 2:22 am, Sanity <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > just gimme some kinda truth, man
>
> Okay, here's a couple of paragraphs from the book I'm writing.  You
> decide if I've got a handle on "truth" and tell me.  Public feedback
> solicited.  :^)
> *************************************************************************** *****
>
> History is a lesson to be learned from, but politicians lie, and well
> meaning honest school teachers sometimes pass such lies along by rote;
> because of their blind faith in dogma.  Winnowing truth from the
> dogmatic deceptions of political history is an onus every free
> thinking individual must endure, for the alternative is to accept
> dictation as true without thinking.  At issue is: Truth vis-à-vis mere
> Color of Authority; but what is “truth”?
>
> I hold it to be self evident that having blind faith and trust in
> anyone or anything, and thinking for one’s self, are antithetical
> attitudes.  Blind trust cannot see...  Acceptance of rote dogma
> without verifying its veracity eschews an individual’s responsibility
> to think; but, insisting others are bound by such decision dictates to
> their reason and attempts to defraud them of their right to Liberty of
> conscience and belief.  Ipse dixit*  truths sound noble, because they
> come from Nobles; but verifiable truth is not subject to the whims of
> aristocracies, substantive truth is far more reasonably objective.
> “Reason obeys itself; Ignorance submits to what is dictated to it.” –
> Thomas Paine
> *  “Ipse dixit” = “He himself said it; a bare assertion resting on the
> authority of an individual” – Black’s Law

quite lovely. quite. the truth about truth, as it were. I do warn
all and sundry ofttimes that reason and truth aren't the same thing
nor even the same closeness of being synonyms necessarily. falsity is
too often reasonable. hitler's final solution was perfectly
logical, and, given the climate of group psychosis in the third reich,
reasonable. but the immutable truth is that the killing of the six
million was wrong, criminal. I'm not saying for a moment this is a
correction of your main thesis, sanity, or any correction at all.
it's just a thought evoked by reading your well-written, well-thought
words. Thanks,
miranda

[miranda howe]

On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> just gimme some kinda truth, man


Just Gimme Some Truth
I'm sick and tired of hearing things
From uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocritics
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
I've had enough of reading things
By neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth

No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of tricky dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of hope
Money for dope
Money for rope

No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of tricky dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of soap
Money for dope
Lyrics www.allthelyrics.com/lyrics/john_lennon/
Money for rope

I'm sick to death of seeing things
From tight-lipped, condescending, mama's little chauvinists
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth now

I've had enough of watching scenes
Of schizophrenic, ego-centric, paranoiac, prima-donnas
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth

No short-haired, yellow-bellied, son of tricky dicky
Is gonna mother hubbard soft soap me
With just a pocketful of soap
It's money for dope
Money for rope

Ah, I'm sick and tired of hearing things
from uptight, short-sighted, narrow-minded hypocrites
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth now

I've had enough of reading things
by neurotic, psychotic, pig-headed politicians
All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth now

All I want is the truth now
Just gimme some truth now
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth

John Lennon

[huhie]

"miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> just gimme some kinda truth, man


>John Lennon

Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.

[whistler]

On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> >John Lennon
>
> Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.

AND ???

[huhie]

"whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> >John Lennon
>
> Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.

AND ???


and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
he just wants to pay for his dope
and stay brain dead,
which he did for years and years
in his NY apartment

While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
dope puss-y tricks.

[Sanity]

On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > >John Lennon
>
> > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> AND ???
>
> and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
>      meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
>                 he just wants to pay for his dope
>                             and stay brain dead,
>                                 which he did for years and years
>                                             in his NY apartment
>
> While Yokook-o   Omno   kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> dope puss-y tricks.

Why do congressmen and women deserve better pensions and health care
than our troops?

[r***@yahoo.com]

On Sep 7, 2:05 pm, Sanity <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > >John Lennon
>
> > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > AND ???
>
> > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> >      meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> >                 he just wants to pay for his dope
> >                             and stay brain dead,
> >                                 which he did for years and years
> >                                             in his NY apartment
>
> > While Yokook-o   Omno   kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> Why do congressmen and women deserve better pensions and health care
> than our troops?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

nope .....

[Sanity]

On Sep 7, 2:44 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
<***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 7, 2:05 pm, Sanity <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > AND ???
>
> > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > >      meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > >                 he just wants to pay for his dope
> > >                             and stay brain dead,
> > >                                 which he did for years and years
> > >                                             in his NY apartment
>
> > > While Yokook-o   Omno   kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> > Why do congressmen and women deserve better pensions and health care
> > than our troops?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> nope .....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Duh. The question was rhetorical.

[Sanity]

On Sep 7, 2:44 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
<***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 7, 2:05 pm, Sanity <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > AND ???
>
> > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > >      meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > >                 he just wants to pay for his dope
> > >                             and stay brain dead,
> > >                                 which he did for years and years
> > >                                             in his NY apartment
>
> > > While Yokook-o   Omno   kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> > Why do congressmen and women deserve better pensions and health care
> > than our troops?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> nope .....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Duh. The question was rhetorical.

[Pat Easterling]

Hey Huhie, why don't you go shoot the mother fucker? After all, he
dissapointed you, a fan, and that is really important.

[miranda howe]

On Sep 7, 7:31 pm, Pat Easterling <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Huhie, why don't you go shoot the mother fucker?  After all, he
> dissapointed you, a fan, and that is really important.

But exactly. Mark Chapman decided this and shot John Lennon. Funny
how the drugs are gone and the drug user is gone but the music lives
on.

[sam]

On Sep 7, 7:31 pm, Pat Easterling <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Huhie, why don't you go shoot the mother fucker?  After all, he
> dissapointed you, a fan, and that is really important.

ya know, damn me if you will but mark david chapman is one person i
wouldn't mind personally leaving for the coyotes...

i could be immortal too! (i'd have to be martyred tho...that's not
too cool) and i wouldn't need a tattered second-hand copy of "catcher
in the rye" either!






only in my dreams...

[Pokeitwithastick]

[miranda howe]

On Sep 13, 6:02 pm, Pokeitwithastick <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> من المشاركات بواسطة 4 من المؤلفين

yeah? You a

[miranda howe]

On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > >John Lennon
>
> > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> AND ???
>
> and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
>      meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
>                 he just wants to pay for his dope
>                             and stay brain dead,
>                                 which he did for years and years
>                                             in his NY apartment
>
> While Yokook-o   Omno   kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> dope puss-y tricks.

You seem to know a lot about this subject, in a limited sort of way,
but I feel both saddened and amused by
the twisted lens you see and speak through. I'm amused because it's
just so comically stereotypic to view things as you do; the narrow,
judgmental, ridged, far too easily arrived at, unforgiving, ugly,
scatological view.
I can't tell you how many people in bars, around beer-can littered
tables in hundreds of houses, in innumerable AA meetings, walking
along streets, from cops standing around in parks, and in many a place
by all sorts of people I've heard these same exact remarks about
thousands of people. And they are always the same, give or take
variation of what drug and whatever surface details are in play. So
it's comic and clownish.

But what saddens me is this: These bursts against addicts are the cry
and credo of desperate souls locked up in the very words and
condemnations they are bestowing on others. To condemn John Lennon
and to cut him out of humanity as you have is a little moral and
psychological murder/suicide by which you kill yourself. Every facet
of your process is to eliminate and deny love, hope, creativity. The
device of this machine of thinking that your post is an example of has
the elimination of life as its purpose.

And this form of thinking is a drug not unlike heroin and it is just
as addictive and far more destructive. People who think like this do
so reflexively and seek out situations to speak these words for the
gratification it brings. These negative thoughts generate bad
steroids that bathe the brain which causes dopamine (sic) surges which
sets up a demand for more steroids that'll cause more endorphins to be
manufactured. So, your negativity and condemnation of others is your
own smack, dude.

You got not one undrugged leg to stand on to put John Lennon down.

How do you like truth now?

[Sanity]

On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > >John Lennon
>
> > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > AND ???
>
> > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> >      meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> >                 he just wants to pay for his dope
> >                             and stay brain dead,
> >                                 which he did for years and years
> >                                             in his NY apartment
>
> > While Yokook-o   Omno   kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> You seem to know a lot about this subject, in a limited sort of way,
> but I feel both saddened and amused by
> the twisted lens you see and speak through.  I'm amused because it's
> just so comically stereotypic to view things as you do; the narrow,
> judgmental, ridged, far too easily arrived at, unforgiving, ugly,
> scatological view.
> I can't tell you how many people in bars, around beer-can littered
> tables in hundreds of houses, in innumerable AA meetings, walking
> along streets, from cops standing around in parks, and in many a place
> by all sorts of people I've heard these same exact remarks about
> thousands of people.  And they are always the same, give or take
> variation of what drug and whatever surface details are in play.  So
> it's comic and clownish.
>
> But what saddens me is this: These bursts against addicts are the cry
> and credo of desperate souls locked up in the very words and
> condemnations they are bestowing on others.  To condemn John Lennon
> and to cut him out of humanity as you have is a little moral and
> psychological murder/suicide by which you kill yourself.  Every facet
> of your process is to eliminate and deny love, hope, creativity.  The
> device of this machine of thinking that your post is an example of has
> the elimination of life as its purpose.
>
> And this form of thinking is a drug not unlike heroin and it is just
> as addictive and far more destructive.  People who think like this do
> so reflexively and seek out situations to speak these words for the
> gratification it brings.  These negative thoughts generate bad
> steroids that bathe the brain which causes dopamine (sic) surges which
> sets up a demand for more steroids that'll cause more endorphins to be
> manufactured.  So, your negativity and condemnation of others is your
> own smack, dude.
>
> You got not one undrugged leg to stand on to put John Lennon down.
>
> How do you like truth now?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
self generated negative loop. I suggest editing your attempts to
enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
sound-byte.

[miranda howe]

On Sep 8, 1:42 am, Sanity <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > AND ???
>
> > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > >      meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > >                 he just wants to pay for his dope
> > >                             and stay brain dead,
> > >                                 which he did for years and years
> > >                                             in his NY apartment
>
> > > While Yokook-o   Omno   kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> > You seem to know a lot about this subject, in a limited sort of way,
> > but I feel both saddened and amused by
> > the twisted lens you see and speak through.  I'm amused because it's
> > just so comically stereotypic to view things as you do; the narrow,
> > judgmental, ridged, far too easily arrived at, unforgiving, ugly,
> > scatological view.
> > I can't tell you how many people in bars, around beer-can littered
> > tables in hundreds of houses, in innumerable AA meetings, walking
> > along streets, from cops standing around in parks, and in many a place
> > by all sorts of people I've heard these same exact remarks about
> > thousands of people.  And they are always the same, give or take
> > variation of what drug and whatever surface details are in play.  So
> > it's comic and clownish.
>
> > But what saddens me is this: These bursts against addicts are the cry
> > and credo of desperate souls locked up in the very words and
> > condemnations they are bestowing on others.  To condemn John Lennon
> > and to cut him out of humanity as you have is a little moral and
> > psychological murder/suicide by which you kill yourself.  Every facet
> > of your process is to eliminate and deny love, hope, creativity.  The
> > device of this machine of thinking that your post is an example of has
> > the elimination of life as its purpose.
>
> > And this form of thinking is a drug not unlike heroin and it is just
> > as addictive and far more destructive.  People who think like this do
> > so reflexively and seek out situations to speak these words for the
> > gratification it brings.  These negative thoughts generate bad
> > steroids that bathe the brain which causes dopamine (sic) surges which
> > sets up a demand for more steroids that'll cause more endorphins to be
> > manufactured.  So, your negativity and condemnation of others is your
> > own smack, dude.
>
> > You got not one undrugged leg to stand on to put John Lennon down.
>
> > How do you like truth now?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
> self generated negative loop.  I suggest editing your attempts to
> enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
> sound-byte.

jesus, sanity... who would write one word if they were actually
writing just to hue? not I. this is a public forum and any number of
types of people are going to read what I write. I address matters
that I feel are not being addressed in toto. I write things that I
feel need to be said. That's the only reason I ever started writing
even as a young person; that there were things that I ached to read
but I couldn't find anywhere. I wanted TRUTH.

And, besides, sanity, for christ's sake, stop telling me when to write
or how to write or to whom to write. You do this habitually and I
don't like it. I can chalk it up to protective affection on your part
but even that is controlling behavior and I always have to swallow the
vile flood of humiliation that fills my mouth when you do this. So
however good your intentions are, you violate boundaries when you
instruct me as the preferred character of my writing.

I love you, sanity. miranda

[Sanity]

On Sep 8, 6:11 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 1:42 am, Sanity <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > > AND ???
>
> > > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > > >      meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > > >                 he just wants to pay for his dope
> > > >                             and stay brain dead,
> > > >                                 which he did for years and years
> > > >                                             in his NY apartment
>
> > > > While Yokook-o   Omno   kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> > > You seem to know a lot about this subject, in a limited sort of way,
> > > but I feel both saddened and amused by
> > > the twisted lens you see and speak through.  I'm amused because it's
> > > just so comically stereotypic to view things as you do; the narrow,
> > > judgmental, ridged, far too easily arrived at, unforgiving, ugly,
> > > scatological view.
> > > I can't tell you how many people in bars, around beer-can littered
> > > tables in hundreds of houses, in innumerable AA meetings, walking
> > > along streets, from cops standing around in parks, and in many a place
> > > by all sorts of people I've heard these same exact remarks about
> > > thousands of people.  And they are always the same, give or take
> > > variation of what drug and whatever surface details are in play.  So
> > > it's comic and clownish.
>
> > > But what saddens me is this: These bursts against addicts are the cry
> > > and credo of desperate souls locked up in the very words and
> > > condemnations they are bestowing on others.  To condemn John Lennon
> > > and to cut him out of humanity as you have is a little moral and
> > > psychological murder/suicide by which you kill yourself.  Every facet
> > > of your process is to eliminate and deny love, hope, creativity.  The
> > > device of this machine of thinking that your post is an example of has
> > > the elimination of life as its purpose.
>
> > > And this form of thinking is a drug not unlike heroin and it is just
> > > as addictive and far more destructive.  People who think like this do
> > > so reflexively and seek out situations to speak these words for the
> > > gratification it brings.  These negative thoughts generate bad
> > > steroids that bathe the brain which causes dopamine (sic) surges which
> > > sets up a demand for more steroids that'll cause more endorphins to be
> > > manufactured.  So, your negativity and condemnation of others is your
> > > own smack, dude.
>
> > > You got not one undrugged leg to stand on to put John Lennon down.
>
> > > How do you like truth now?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
> > self generated negative loop.  I suggest editing your attempts to
> > enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
> > sound-byte.
>
> jesus, sanity... who would write one word if they were actually
> writing just to hue?  not I.  this is a public forum and any number of
> types of people are going to read what I write.  I address matters
> that I feel are not being addressed in toto.  I write things that I
> feel need to be said.  That's the only reason I ever started writing
> even as a young person; that there were things that I ached to read
> but I couldn't find anywhere.  I wanted TRUTH.

Because you wrote a reply to huhie [Hmmm, is that nickname a
homophonic of “Are you high?”] which addressed his specific endorphin
addiction I thought you were speaking to him in public about his
problem, and trying to get him to see he was the pot calling the
kettle black. I must have misunderstood.

>
> And, besides, sanity, for christ's sake, stop telling me when to write
> or how to write or to whom to write.  You do this habitually and I
> don't like it.  I can chalk it up to protective affection on your part
> but even that is controlling behavior and I always have to swallow the
> vile flood of humiliation that fills my mouth when you do this.

Huh? I had no intention to humiliate you at all! You are quite
humble enough to suit me already… I do believe I have every much a
right to write suggestions as you have to write whatever you please in
whatever style you please. Please, enjoy your freedoms to your
heart’s content!

>  So
> however good your intentions are, you violate boundaries when you
> instruct me as the preferred character of my writing.
>
> I love you, sanity.       miranda- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I love you too Miranda.

[Sanity]

On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > >John Lennon
>
> > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > AND ???
>
> > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> >      meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> >                 he just wants to pay for his dope
> >                             and stay brain dead,
> >                                 which he did for years and years
> >                                             in his NY apartment
>
> > While Yokook-o   Omno   kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> You seem to know a lot about this subject, in a limited sort of way,
> but I feel both saddened and amused by
> the twisted lens you see and speak through.  I'm amused because it's
> just so comically stereotypic to view things as you do; the narrow,
> judgmental, ridged, far too easily arrived at, unforgiving, ugly,
> scatological view.
> I can't tell you how many people in bars, around beer-can littered
> tables in hundreds of houses, in innumerable AA meetings, walking
> along streets, from cops standing around in parks, and in many a place
> by all sorts of people I've heard these same exact remarks about
> thousands of people.  And they are always the same, give or take
> variation of what drug and whatever surface details are in play.  So
> it's comic and clownish.
>
> But what saddens me is this: These bursts against addicts are the cry
> and credo of desperate souls locked up in the very words and
> condemnations they are bestowing on others.  To condemn John Lennon
> and to cut him out of humanity as you have is a little moral and
> psychological murder/suicide by which you kill yourself.  Every facet
> of your process is to eliminate and deny love, hope, creativity.  The
> device of this machine of thinking that your post is an example of has
> the elimination of life as its purpose.
>
> And this form of thinking is a drug not unlike heroin and it is just
> as addictive and far more destructive.  People who think like this do
> so reflexively and seek out situations to speak these words for the
> gratification it brings.  These negative thoughts generate bad
> steroids that bathe the brain which causes dopamine (sic) surges which
> sets up a demand for more steroids that'll cause more endorphins to be
> manufactured.  So, your negativity and condemnation of others is your
> own smack, dude.
>
> You got not one undrugged leg to stand on to put John Lennon down.
>
> How do you like truth now?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
self generated negative loop. I suggest editing your attempts to
enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
sound-byte.

[huhie]

"Sanity" <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:83b93f69-7d1d-47c1-a5db-***@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > >John Lennon
>
> > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > AND ???
>
> > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > he just wants to pay for his dope
> > and stay brain dead,
> > which he did for years and years
> > in his NY apartment
>
> > While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > dope puss-y tricks.
>
<snippith crappith>

- Show quoted text -

>Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
>self generated negative loop. I suggest editing your attempts to
>enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
>sound-byte.


What ?

[Sanity]

On Sep 8, 5:14 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "Sanity" <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:83b93f69-7d1d-47c1-a5db-***@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > AND ???
>
> > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > > meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > > he just wants to pay for his dope
> > > and stay brain dead,
> > > which he did for years and years
> > > in his NY apartment
>
> > > While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> <snippith crappith>
>
> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
> >self generated negative loop.  I suggest editing your attempts to
> >enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
> >sound-byte.
>
> What ?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Life is a drug. Anything you take into your body that changes your
consciousness (except food) is a drug, and food addiction is a problem
too. Drugs are not the problem; Greed and Hypocrisy are the problems.

[sam]

On Sep 8, 5:14 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "Sanity" <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:83b93f69-7d1d-47c1-a5db-***@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > AND ???
>
> > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > > meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > > he just wants to pay for his dope
> > > and stay brain dead,
> > > which he did for years and years
> > > in his NY apartment
>
> > > While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> <snippith crappith>
>
> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
> >self generated negative loop.  I suggest editing your attempts to
> >enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
> >sound-byte.
>
> What ?

lennon promoted music and not his personal lifestyle. he was far more
responsible regarding what many will call his 'bad habits' by keeping
them to himself than most people of his stature.

where do you get the idea lennon advocated the use of drugs, and i
quote you here, "Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on
drugs..."? it's not in his music...

[huhie]

"sam" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:df49aacb-acde-43b0-8fc7-***@d12g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 8, 5:14 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "Sanity" <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:83b93f69-7d1d-47c1-a5db-***@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > AND ???
>
> > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > > meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > > he just wants to pay for his dope
> > > and stay brain dead,
> > > which he did for years and years
> > > in his NY apartment
>
> > > While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> <snippith crappith>
>
> - Show quoted text -
>
> >Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
> >self generated negative loop. I suggest editing your attempts to
> >enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
> >sound-byte.
>
> What ?

lennon promoted music and not his personal lifestyle. he was far more
responsible regarding what many will call his 'bad habits' by keeping
them to himself than most people of his stature.

where do you get the idea lennon advocated the use of drugs, and i
quote you here, "Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on
drugs..."? it's not in his music...

>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
In 50% of his music, pupa!

you are obviously too young for those times

Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )

[r***@yahoo.com]

On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "sam" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:df49aacb-acde-43b0-8fc7-***@d12g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 8, 5:14 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Sanity" <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:83b93f69-7d1d-47c1-a5db-***@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > > AND ???
>
> > > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > > > meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > > > he just wants to pay for his dope
> > > > and stay brain dead,
> > > > which he did for years and years
> > > > in his NY apartment
>
> > > > While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> > <snippith crappith>
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> > >Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
> > >self generated negative loop. I suggest editing your attempts to
> > >enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
> > >sound-byte.
>
> > What ?
>
> lennon promoted music and not his personal lifestyle.  he was far more
> responsible regarding what many will call his 'bad habits' by keeping
> them to himself than most people of his stature.
>
> where do you get the idea lennon advocated the use of drugs, and i
> quote you here, "Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on
> drugs..."?  it's not in his music...
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> In  50% of his music, pupa!
>
> you are obviously too young for those times
>
> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds   (hint =>  LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Im not too young...I remember a time when there w ere no
beatles ....and your nutz

[miranda howe]

On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "sam" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:df49aacb-acde-43b0-8fc7-***@d12g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 8, 5:14 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Sanity" <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:83b93f69-7d1d-47c1-a5db-***@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > > AND ???
>
> > > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > > > meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > > > he just wants to pay for his dope
> > > > and stay brain dead,
> > > > which he did for years and years
> > > > in his NY apartment
>
> > > > While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> > <snippith crappith>
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> > >Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
> > >self generated negative loop. I suggest editing your attempts to
> > >enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
> > >sound-byte.
>
> > What ?
>
> lennon promoted music and not his personal lifestyle.  he was far more
> responsible regarding what many will call his 'bad habits' by keeping
> them to himself than most people of his stature.
>
> where do you get the idea lennon advocated the use of drugs, and i
> quote you here, "Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on
> drugs..."?  it's not in his music...
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> In  50% of his music, pupa!
>
> you are obviously too young for those times
>
> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds   (hint =>  LSD )

Really...? This is too strange. All the music that you say is
persuasion to use dope is completely available to everyone and every
several years there's a mass revival of beatles and lennon stuff and
it's number one on the charts. So it's confusing that you don't
think people have complete access to Lennon's words. I'm also
confused that you don't understand that it would be the rare person on
agr who wouldn't know that John Lennon was strung out on heroin for
some period in the 'seventies. This is common knowledge about him. I
suppose then each person has to decide how it's going to effect what
they think and do about his music. If we stopped listening to music
by people who ever used drugs then I think we'd be listening to pat
and debbie boon and annita bryant. Period.

And you're going to call LSD a drug? Lump it in with heroin? You do
realize this is a rainbow newsgroup? And what in Lucy in the Sky is
an attempt to hook people on drugs? Even if it were about LSD what
does it do that's seductive?

[Pokeitwithastick]

duh family dog luvez ur cunt.

[huhie]

>
> In 50% of his music, pupa!
>
> you are obviously too young for those times
>
> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )

>Really...? This is too strange. All the music that you say is
>persuasion to use dope is completely available to everyone and every
>several years there's a mass revival of beatles and lennon stuff and
>it's number one on the charts. So it's confusing that you don't
>think people have complete access to Lennon's words. I'm also
>confused that you don't understand that it would be the rare person on
>agr who wouldn't know that John Lennon was strung out on heroin for
>some period in the 'seventies. This is common knowledge about him. I
>suppose then each person has to decide how it's going to effect what
>they think and do about his music. If we stopped listening to music
>by people who ever used drugs then I think we'd be listening to pat
>and debbie boon and annita bryant. Period.

Wrong, most music is by stright people, NOT stoners as you say.

>And you're going to call LSD a drug?

sure is, baby.
Back then is was very strong, and some that took it, and they never came
back, I know quite a few folks that did not make it.


>Lump it in with heroin?

Heroin does not re-wire your brain into mush, like LSD can, pupa.



>You do
>realize this is a rainbow newsgroup?

....that eat fungus growing out of cow shit.



>And what in Lucy in the Sky is
>an attempt to hook people on drugs?

yea, and quite a lot of other songs they did, how about that White Album!


> Even if it were about LSD what
>does it do that's seductive?

it is ADVERTISING, pupa. NEWS to you, but known by those who live during
that time.
Or are you faking it?

[miranda howe]

On Sep 10, 6:10 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > In 50% of his music, pupa!
>
> > you are obviously too young for those times
>
> > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )
> >Really...?  This is too strange.  All the music that you say is
> >persuasion to use dope is completely available to everyone and every
> >several years there's a mass revival of beatles and lennon stuff and
> >it's number one on the charts.   So it's confusing that you don't
> >think people have complete access to Lennon's words.  I'm also
> >confused that you don't understand that it would be the rare person on
> >agr who wouldn't know that John Lennon was strung out on heroin for
> >some period in the 'seventies.  This is common knowledge about him.  I
> >suppose then each person has to decide how it's going to effect what
> >they think and do about his music.  If we stopped listening to music
> >by people who ever used drugs then I think we'd be listening to pat
> >and debbie boon  and annita bryant.   Period.
>
> Wrong, most music is by stright people, NOT stoners as you say.

This one of the best trolls ever. Name five great, well-known
musicians botn after 1900 who didn't use drugs or alcohol.


> >And you're going to call LSD a drug?
>
> sure is, baby.
> Back then is was very strong, and some that took it, and they never came
> back, I know quite a few folks that did not make it.

Prove this. Document these numbers of people who you have known who
have lost their minds permanently by LSD use. Names, dates, places.


> >Lump it in with heroin?
>
> Heroin does not re-wire your brain into mush, like LSD can, pupa.

Oh. So then heroin isn't so bad after all? These values, huhie,
shift like quicksand... The truth is, ALL drugs ultimately are
psychedelics. Beer, smack, valium, coke, speed, even tobacco.
Unravel psyches? Any addiction to anything can do so either in its
extreme ends or in withdrawal.


> >You do
> >realize this is a rainbow newsgroup?
>
> ....that eat fungus growing out of cow shit.

All life is compost bound, shitpile bourn. Every person, beast and
plant in every phase and form is interdependent with excrement. .
The sea and the skies exist because of bio waste.

And, other than that one has to question you about your blatant hatred
of rainbow. So why post here? Are you so lonesome you come here
where you hate people because you've no where else? Well! Welcome
Home! But you could try being loving and kind. You'd actually have a
better time. I'd like it. You'd like it better. You wouldn't feel
so lonely.


> >And what in Lucy in the Sky is
> >an attempt to hook people on drugs?
> yea, and quite a lot of other songs they did, how about that White Album!

Isn't that the one where john lennon excoriates cigarette addiction
and pushers?

>
> > Even if it were about LSD what
> >does it do that's seductive?
>
> it is ADVERTISING, pupa.  NEWS to you, but known by those who live during
> that time.
> Or are you faking it?

Am I faking what? The truth? Can't be done.

Drugs don't need advertising. All people in all epochs everywhere
have used drugs and haven't needed advertisement. Advertisement is
usually related to brands and competition. Again. What's Lennon's
motivation for addicting people?

So, we have this man who makes millions and millions of dollars on his
music, whose wealth is so large it grows on its own, and his records
are so good that they keep selling every year even when he's not
putting out new stuff and his many properties keep on producing
royalties. Yet, you say, this man is promoting the sale and
consumption of drugs. Generically. Hmmm. Amazing. So this guy--
mind you, this guy is probably the greatest star in the whole world--
this guy is strung out on heroin and he's trying to addict millions of
people to LSD, a non addictive chemical? Why? It sounds like Lex
Luther, not John Lennon.

You're in good company, though, huhie. Nixon also felt this ominous
threat from this guy. So it looks like you drank the koolaid.

[whistler]

On Sep 12, 1:57 am, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 10, 6:10 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Even if it were about LSD what
> > >does it do that's seductive?
>
> > it is ADVERTISING, pupa.  
>
> Drugs don't need advertising.  All people in all epochs everywhere
> have used drugs and haven't needed advertisement.   Advertisement is
> usually related to brands and competition. Again.  What's Lennon's
> motivation for addicting people?
> ...........
> threat from this guy.   So it looks like you drank the koolaid.

THE best advertising is to pay (bribe) the Gov't to make it illeagle.

[sam]

On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "sam" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:df49aacb-acde-43b0-8fc7-***@d12g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 8, 5:14 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Sanity" <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:83b93f69-7d1d-47c1-a5db-***@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > > AND ???
>
> > > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > > > meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > > > he just wants to pay for his dope
> > > > and stay brain dead,
> > > > which he did for years and years
> > > > in his NY apartment
>
> > > > While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> > <snippith crappith>
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> > >Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
> > >self generated negative loop. I suggest editing your attempts to
> > >enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
> > >sound-byte.
>
> > What ?
>
> lennon promoted music and not his personal lifestyle.  he was far more
> responsible regarding what many will call his 'bad habits' by keeping
> them to himself than most people of his stature.
>
> where do you get the idea lennon advocated the use of drugs, and i
> quote you here, "Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on
> drugs..."?  it's not in his music...
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> In  50% of his music, pupa!
>
> you are obviously too young for those times
>
> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds   (hint =>  LSD )

that is a myth, sonny...read the bio's regarding the recording of
'sergeant peppers'..(besides, that is only 1 song out of hundreds
(1,000's ?)...what else ya got?) and although i'm not a cranky old
red neck like you seem to be i was 14 or 15 when that album came out

[Sanity]

On Sep 9, 11:05 pm, sam <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "sam" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:df49aacb-acde-43b0-8fc7-***@d12g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 8, 5:14 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "Sanity" <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:83b93f69-7d1d-47c1-a5db-***@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > > > AND ???
>
> > > > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > > > > meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > > > > he just wants to pay for his dope
> > > > > and stay brain dead,
> > > > > which he did for years and years
> > > > > in his NY apartment
>
> > > > > While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> > > <snippith crappith>
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > >Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
> > > >self generated negative loop. I suggest editing your attempts to
> > > >enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
> > > >sound-byte.
>
> > > What ?
>
> > lennon promoted music and not his personal lifestyle.  he was far more
> > responsible regarding what many will call his 'bad habits' by keeping
> > them to himself than most people of his stature.
>
> > where do you get the idea lennon advocated the use of drugs, and i
> > quote you here, "Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on
> > drugs..."?  it's not in his music...
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> > In  50% of his music, pupa!
>
> > you are obviously too young for those times
>
> > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds   (hint =>  LSD )
>
> that is a myth, sonny...read the bio's regarding the recording of
> 'sergeant peppers'..(besides, that is only 1 song out of hundreds
> (1,000's ?)...what else ya got?)  and although i'm not a cranky old
> red neck like you seem to be i was 14 or 15 when that album came out- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Pushers "push" heroine, but John Lennon never did. I've never known
anyone to push LSD or any other psychedelic. IMO the reason there’s a
“War on Drugs” is to keep the price up… “Follow the money.” – Deep
Throat. Mr. Throat gave Woodward and Bernstein good advice, and it
applies to all corruption.

[Connie]

On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds   (hint =>  LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds

Julian's drawing
Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
hidden reference to LSD.

“ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
imagery was Alice in the boat. ”

Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.

[sam]

On Sep 10, 3:41 pm, Connie <***@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds   (hint =>  LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> Julian's drawing
> Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> hidden reference to LSD.
>
> “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.

yeah, i was hoping he'd spend the time looking up the actual story
behind 'lucy in the sky'...it's only been out there for nearly 40-some
years now.

[spiritrising]

Connie wrote:
> On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> Julian's drawing
> Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> hidden reference to LSD.
>
> “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>
>

nice to see ya posting, hows the knee?

[huhie]

"Connie" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds

Julian's drawing
Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
hidden reference to LSD.

“ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
imagery was Alice in the boat. ”

Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

nice story, **but not true at all.**

Everyone over 50 knows that.

[r***@yahoo.com]

On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "Connie" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> Julian's drawing
> Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> hidden reference to LSD.
>
> “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>
>
>
> nice story, **but not true at all.**
>
> Everyone over 50 knows that.

its sure is nice toi not be "everybody"....

[Pat Easterling]

On Sep 11, 1:26 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
<***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Connie" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> > Julian's drawing
> > Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> > the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> > drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> > classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> > that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> > had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> > I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> > Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> > remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> > throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> > attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> > his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> > Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> > hidden reference to LSD.
>
> > “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> > pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> > bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> > imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> > Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>
> > nice story, **but not true at all.**
>
> > Everyone over 50 knows that.
>
> its sure is nice toi not be  "everybody"....

I know that this is an un-moderated forum, for some good reasons (I
guess), but I sure wish it had the feature "Ignore posts by xxx" so I
could just not have to wade through some posters let us say, odd
thoughts. Though on the other hand, responses such as M's have been
good to read, and I guess unless those who'd I judge to be confused
(at a lower level than my confusion level) posted, I'd never have....

[willow scar clan]

On Sep 11, 3:30 pm, Pat Easterling <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> I know that this is an un-moderated forum, for some good reasons (I
> guess), but I sure wish it had the feature "Ignore posts by xxx" so I
> could just not have to wade through some posters let us say, odd
> thoughts.  Though on the other hand, responses such as M's have been
> good to read, and I guess unless those who'd I judge to be confused
> (at a lower level than my confusion level) posted, I'd never have....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Indeed, ladies & gents.
You have just witnessed positive alchemy inflagrato.
Classic Miranda for share.

Does the heart good.

[Sanity]

On Sep 11, 4:30 pm, Pat Easterling <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 1:26 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
>
>
>
>
>
> <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "Connie" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> > > Julian's drawing
> > > Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> > > the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> > > drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> > > classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> > > that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> > > had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> > > I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> > > Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> > > remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> > > throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> > > attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> > > his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> > > Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> > > hidden reference to LSD.
>
> > > “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> > > pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> > > bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> > > imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> > > Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>
> > > nice story, **but not true at all.**
>
> > > Everyone over 50 knows that.
>
> > its sure is nice toi not be  "everybody"....
>
> I know that this is an un-moderated forum, for some good reasons (I
> guess), but I sure wish it had the feature "Ignore posts by xxx" so I
> could just not have to wade through some posters let us say, odd
> thoughts.

There's no moderator per se, but that doesn't mean you can't self-
moderate. I click past several peole who post here...

>  Though on the other hand, responses such as M's have been
> good to read, and I guess unless those who'd I judge to be confused
> (at a lower level than my confusion level) posted, I'd never have....- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[sam]

On Sep 11, 4:47 pm, Sanity <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 4:30 pm, Pat Easterling <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 11, 1:26 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
>
> > <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "Connie" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> > > > Julian's drawing
> > > > Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> > > > the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> > > > drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> > > > classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> > > > that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> > > > had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> > > > I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> > > > Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> > > > remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> > > > throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> > > > attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> > > > his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> > > > Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> > > > hidden reference to LSD.
>
> > > > “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> > > > pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> > > > bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> > > > imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> > > > Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>
> > > > nice story, **but not true at all.**
>
> > > > Everyone over 50 knows that.
>
> > > its sure is nice toi not be  "everybody"....
>
> > I know that this is an un-moderated forum, for some good reasons (I
> > guess), but I sure wish it had the feature "Ignore posts by xxx" so I
> > could just not have to wade through some posters let us say, odd
> > thoughts.
>
> There's no moderator per se, but that doesn't mean you can't self-
> moderate.  I click past several peole who post here...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >  Though on the other hand, responses such as M's have been
> > good to read, and I guess unless those who'd I judge to be confused
> > (at a lower level than my confusion level) posted, I'd never have....- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -

no you don't...well except for that 'pigz' shithead. i see you don't
follow up his posts...beyond that there's barely a thread here that
doesn't have your touch on it.

[Sanity]

On Sep 11, 8:23 pm, sam <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 4:47 pm, Sanity <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 11, 4:30 pm, Pat Easterling <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 11, 1:26 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
>
> > > <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > "Connie" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> > > > > Julian's drawing
> > > > > Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> > > > > the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> > > > > drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> > > > > classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> > > > > that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> > > > > had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> > > > > I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> > > > > Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> > > > > remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> > > > > throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> > > > > attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> > > > > his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> > > > > Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> > > > > hidden reference to LSD.
>
> > > > > “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> > > > > pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> > > > > bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> > > > > imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> > > > > Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>
> > > > > nice story, **but not true at all.**
>
> > > > > Everyone over 50 knows that.
>
> > > > its sure is nice toi not be  "everybody"....
>
> > > I know that this is an un-moderated forum, for some good reasons (I
> > > guess), but I sure wish it had the feature "Ignore posts by xxx" so I
> > > could just not have to wade through some posters let us say, odd
> > > thoughts.
>
> > There's no moderator per se, but that doesn't mean you can't self-
> > moderate.  I click past several peole who post here...
>
> > >  Though on the other hand, responses such as M's have been
> > > good to read, and I guess unless those who'd I judge to be confused
> > > (at a lower level than my confusion level) posted, I'd never have....- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> no you don't...well except for that 'pigz' shithead.  i see you don't
> follow up his posts...beyond that there's barely a thread here that
> doesn't have your touch on it.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I play with Gummint shills like you because you’re easy Sam. :^)
But I ignore lots of your stupidity as being ‘too easy’ too...

[Pokeitwithastick]

uh iz wwhut uh accuse uderz uf bein.

[miranda howe]

On Sep 13, 5:47 pm, Pokeitwithastick <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> uh iz wwhut uh accuse uderz uf bein.

goddamn if the clock AIN'T right twice per 24!

[miranda howe]

On Sep 11, 2:30 pm, Pat Easterling <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 1:26 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "Connie" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> > > Julian's drawing
> > > Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> > > the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> > > drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> > > classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> > > that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> > > had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> > > I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> > > Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> > > remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> > > throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> > > attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> > > his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> > > Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> > > hidden reference to LSD.
>
> > > “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> > > pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> > > bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> > > imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> > > Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>
> > > nice story, **but not true at all.**
>
> > > Everyone over 50 knows that.
>
> > its sure is nice toi not be  "everybody"....
>
> I know that this is an un-moderated forum, for some good reasons (I
> guess), but I sure wish it had the feature "Ignore posts by xxx" so I
> could just not have to wade through some posters let us say, odd
> thoughts.  Though on the other hand, responses such as M's have been
> good to read, and I guess unless those who'd I judge to be confused
> (at a lower level than my confusion level) posted, I'd never have....

Thanks! I just love writing. I love truth. I love fresh approaches
that dismantle and heal cliche and stereotype. And I've been there in
stupidville condemning certain people and believing I was superior.
And I bless the day I was shown the light and stopped thinking in
boxes. And I committed to never forget the ins and outs of it and
committed to be able to write about it. love, miranda

[Sanity]

On Sep 12, 2:06 am, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 2:30 pm, Pat Easterling <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 11, 1:26 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
>
> > <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "Connie" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> > > > Julian's drawing
> > > > Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> > > > the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> > > > drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> > > > classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> > > > that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> > > > had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> > > > I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> > > > Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> > > > remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> > > > throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> > > > attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> > > > his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> > > > Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> > > > hidden reference to LSD.
>
> > > > “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> > > > pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> > > > bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> > > > imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> > > > Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>
> > > > nice story, **but not true at all.**
>
> > > > Everyone over 50 knows that.
>
> > > its sure is nice toi not be  "everybody"....
>
> > I know that this is an un-moderated forum, for some good reasons (I
> > guess), but I sure wish it had the feature "Ignore posts by xxx" so I
> > could just not have to wade through some posters let us say, odd
> > thoughts.  Though on the other hand, responses such as M's have been
> > good to read, and I guess unless those who'd I judge to be confused
> > (at a lower level than my confusion level) posted, I'd never have....
>
> Thanks!  I just love writing.  I love truth.  I love fresh approaches
> that dismantle and heal cliche and stereotype.  And I've been there in
> stupidville condemning certain people and believing I was superior.
> And I bless the day I was shown the light and stopped thinking in
> boxes.  And I committed to never forget the ins and outs of it and
> committed to be able to write about it.  love, miranda- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ahem: Your 'box' is a whole lot bigger than it used to be, as is mine,
but I don't think either of us or anyone else here can yet righteously
claim knowledge of "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
truth" either.

That we [you, I, and everyone else who loves the truth] do our best is
good enough for me, and if God wants better than our best,
well....... I am still making mistakes, and learning from them. :^)

[spiritrising]

Pat Easterling wrote:
> On Sep 11, 1:26 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
> <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Connie"<***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>
>>> news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>>
>>> Julian's drawing
>>> Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
>>> the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
>>> drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
>>> classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
>>> that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
>>> had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
>>> I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
>>> Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
>>> remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
>>> throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
>>> attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
>>> his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
>>> Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
>>> hidden reference to LSD.
>>
>>> “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
>>> pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
>>> bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
>>> imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>>
>>> Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>>
>>> nice story, **but not true at all.**
>>
>>> Everyone over 50 knows that.
>>
>> its sure is nice toi not be "everybody"....
>
> I know that this is an un-moderated forum, for some good reasons (I
> guess), but I sure wish it had the feature "Ignore posts by xxx" so I
> could just not have to wade through some posters let us say, odd
> thoughts. Though on the other hand, responses such as M's have been
> good to read, and I guess unless those who'd I judge to be confused
> (at a lower level than my confusion level) posted, I'd never have....

i remember a time when i had this pedophile that was posting here, block
himself! dang if your that easily upset, how do you handle the real
world outside your home?

[Pat Easterling]

On Sep 12, 8:39 am, spiritrising <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pat Easterling wrote:
> > On Sep 11, 1:26 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
> > <***@yahoo.com>  wrote:
> >> On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid>  wrote:
>
> >>> "Connie"<***@cox.net>  wrote in message
>
> >>>news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid>  wrote:
>
> >>>> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint =>  LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> >>> Julian's drawing
> >>> Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> >>> the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> >>> drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> >>> classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> >>> that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> >>> had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> >>> I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> >>> Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> >>> remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> >>> throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> >>> attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> >>> his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> >>> Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> >>> hidden reference to LSD.
>
> >>> “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> >>> pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> >>> bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> >>> imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> >>> Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>
> >>> nice story, **but not true at all.**
>
> >>> Everyone over 50 knows that.
>
> >> its sure is nice toi not be  "everybody"....
>
> > I know that this is an un-moderated forum, for some good reasons (I
> > guess), but I sure wish it had the feature "Ignore posts by xxx" so I
> > could just not have to wade through some posters let us say, odd
> > thoughts.  Though on the other hand, responses such as M's have been
> > good to read, and I guess unless those who'd I judge to be confused
> > (at a lower level than my confusion level) posted, I'd never have....
>
> i remember a time when i had this pedophile that was posting here, block
> himself! dang if your that easily upset, how do you handle the real
> world outside your home?

Pepper spray, pit bulls and air horns.

[spiritrising]

Pat Easterling wrote:
> On Sep 12, 8:39 am, spiritrising<***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Pat Easterling wrote:
>>> On Sep 11, 1:26 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
>>> <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>> "Connie"<***@cox.net> wrote in message
>>
>>>>> news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>>
>>>>> Julian's drawing
>>>>> Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
>>>>> the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
>>>>> drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
>>>>> classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
>>>>> that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
>>>>> had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
>>>>> I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
>>>>> Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
>>>>> remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
>>>>> throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
>>>>> attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
>>>>> his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
>>>>> Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
>>>>> hidden reference to LSD.
>>
>>>>> “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
>>>>> pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
>>>>> bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
>>>>> imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>>
>>>>> Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>>
>>>>> nice story, **but not true at all.**
>>
>>>>> Everyone over 50 knows that.
>>
>>>> its sure is nice toi not be "everybody"....
>>
>>> I know that this is an un-moderated forum, for some good reasons (I
>>> guess), but I sure wish it had the feature "Ignore posts by xxx" so I
>>> could just not have to wade through some posters let us say, odd
>>> thoughts. Though on the other hand, responses such as M's have been
>>> good to read, and I guess unless those who'd I judge to be confused
>>> (at a lower level than my confusion level) posted, I'd never have....
>>
>> i remember a time when i had this pedophile that was posting here, block
>> himself! dang if your that easily upset, how do you handle the real
>> world outside your home?
>
> Pepper spray, pit bulls and air horns.

you would last a whole 2 minutes in a favela with that stuff

[miranda howe]

On Sep 14, 6:53 am, spiritrising <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pat Easterling wrote:
> > On Sep 12, 8:39 am, spiritrising<***@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> Pat Easterling wrote:
> >>> On Sep 11, 1:26 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
> >>> <***@yahoo.com>    wrote:
> >>>> On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid>    wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Connie"<***@cox.net>    wrote in message
>
> >>>>>news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid>    wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint =>    LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> >>>>> Julian's drawing
> >>>>> Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> >>>>> the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> >>>>> drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> >>>>> classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> >>>>> that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> >>>>> had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> >>>>> I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> >>>>> Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> >>>>> remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> >>>>> throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> >>>>> attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> >>>>> his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> >>>>> Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> >>>>> hidden reference to LSD.
>
> >>>>> “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> >>>>> pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> >>>>> bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> >>>>> imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> >>>>> Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>
> >>>>> nice story, **but not true at all.**
>
> >>>>> Everyone over 50 knows that.
>
> >>>> its sure is nice toi not be  "everybody"....
>
> >>> I know that this is an un-moderated forum, for some good reasons (I
> >>> guess), but I sure wish it had the feature "Ignore posts by xxx" so I
> >>> could just not have to wade through some posters let us say, odd
> >>> thoughts.  Though on the other hand, responses such as M's have been
> >>> good to read, and I guess unless those who'd I judge to be confused
> >>> (at a lower level than my confusion level) posted, I'd never have....
>
> >> i remember a time when i had this pedophile that was posting here, block
> >> himself! dang if your that easily upset, how do you handle the real
> >> world outside your home?
>
> > Pepper spray, pit bulls and air horns.
>
> you would last a whole 2 minutes in a favela with that stuff

[miranda howe]

On Sep 14, 6:53 am, spiritrising <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pat Easterling wrote:
> > On Sep 12, 8:39 am, spiritrising<***@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> Pat Easterling wrote:
> >>> On Sep 11, 1:26 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
> >>> <***@yahoo.com>    wrote:
> >>>> On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid>    wrote:
>
> >>>>> "Connie"<***@cox.net>    wrote in message
>
> >>>>>news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid>    wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint =>    LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> >>>>> Julian's drawing
> >>>>> Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> >>>>> the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> >>>>> drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> >>>>> classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> >>>>> that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> >>>>> had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> >>>>> I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> >>>>> Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> >>>>> remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> >>>>> throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> >>>>> attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> >>>>> his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> >>>>> Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> >>>>> hidden reference to LSD.
>
> >>>>> “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> >>>>> pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> >>>>> bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> >>>>> imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> >>>>> Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>
> >>>>> nice story, **but not true at all.**
>
> >>>>> Everyone over 50 knows that.
>
> >>>> its sure is nice toi not be  "everybody"....
>
> >>> I know that this is an un-moderated forum, for some good reasons (I
> >>> guess), but I sure wish it had the feature "Ignore posts by xxx" so I
> >>> could just not have to wade through some posters let us say, odd
> >>> thoughts.  Though on the other hand, responses such as M's have been
> >>> good to read, and I guess unless those who'd I judge to be confused
> >>> (at a lower level than my confusion level) posted, I'd never have....
>
> >> i remember a time when i had this pedophile that was posting here, block
> >> himself! dang if your that easily upset, how do you handle the real
> >> world outside your home?
>
> > Pepper spray, pit bulls and air horns.
>
> you would last a whole 2 minutes in a favela with that stuff

some one was talking at me-- what I meant to say is: C'mon, Mike. He
was kidding. It's hilarious. What's favela, now that I've butted in
where I don't belong. Love, Miranda

[Pat Easterling]

 What's favela, now that I've butted in
> where I don't belong.     Love, Miranda

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Favela

Mostly hillside slums in Brazil - some are nicer than others and I
understand that occupancy for 5 years = ownership. Ironically, many
have the best views since they are built on hillsides on the edges of
the cities. They are run mostly by gangsters and drug dealers,
sometimes a benevolent dictatorship and often are the safes places -
no one steals in the Favela, or they get creamed, they go outside to
do their rip offs.

[miranda howe]

On Sep 13, 5:13 pm, Pat Easterling <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 8:39 am, spiritrising <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Pat Easterling wrote:
> > > On Sep 11, 1:26 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
> > > <***@yahoo.com>  wrote:
> > >> On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid>  wrote:
>
> > >>> "Connie"<***@cox.net>  wrote in message
>
> > >>>news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > >>> On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid>  wrote:
>
> > >>>> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint =>  LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> > >>> Julian's drawing
> > >>> Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> > >>> the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> > >>> drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> > >>> classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> > >>> that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> > >>> had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> > >>> I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> > >>> Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> > >>> remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> > >>> throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> > >>> attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> > >>> his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> > >>> Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> > >>> hidden reference to LSD.
>
> > >>> “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> > >>> pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> > >>> bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> > >>> imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> > >>> Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>
> > >>> nice story, **but not true at all.**
>
> > >>> Everyone over 50 knows that.
>
> > >> its sure is nice toi not be  "everybody"....
>
> > > I know that this is an un-moderated forum, for some good reasons (I
> > > guess), but I sure wish it had the feature "Ignore posts by xxx" so I
> > > could just not have to wade through some posters let us say, odd
> > > thoughts.  Though on the other hand, responses such as M's have been
> > > good to read, and I guess unless those who'd I judge to be confused
> > > (at a lower level than my confusion level) posted, I'd never have....
>
> > i remember a time when i had this pedophile that was posting here, block
> > himself! dang if your that easily upset, how do you handle the real
> > world outside your home?
>
> Pepper spray, pit bulls and air horns.

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, don't forget the sun block, garbage can lids,
dr scholl's jells and berlitz.

[miranda howe]

On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "Connie" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> Julian's drawing
> Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> hidden reference to LSD.
>
> “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>
>
>
> nice story, **but not true at all.**
>
> Everyone over 50 knows that.

prove that it's not true. document what you say. prove that everyone
over fifty knows whatever it is you are saying they know. document
it. start here: I'm sixty-one. I do not know that what connie says
above is not true. She is telling the truth.

[spiritrising]

huhie wrote:
> "Connie"<***@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> Julian's drawing
> Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> hidden reference to LSD.
>
> “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> nice story, **but not true at all.**
>
> Everyone over 50 knows that.
>
>

in an interview vodden said she didn't even know what lsd was. quote:
"As a teenager, I made the mistake of telling a couple of friends at
school that I was the Lucy in the song and they said, 'No, it's not you,
my parents said it's about drugs.' And I didn't know what LSD was at the
time, so I just kept it quiet, to myself."

[miranda howe]

On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "sam" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:df49aacb-acde-43b0-8fc7-***@d12g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 8, 5:14 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Sanity" <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:83b93f69-7d1d-47c1-a5db-***@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > > AND ???
>
> > > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > > > meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > > > he just wants to pay for his dope
> > > > and stay brain dead,
> > > > which he did for years and years
> > > > in his NY apartment
>
> > > > While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> > <snippith crappith>
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> > >Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
> > >self generated negative loop. I suggest editing your attempts to
> > >enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
> > >sound-byte.
>
> > What ?
>
> lennon promoted music and not his personal lifestyle.  he was far more
> responsible regarding what many will call his 'bad habits' by keeping
> them to himself than most people of his stature.
>
> where do you get the idea lennon advocated the use of drugs, and i
> quote you here, "Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on
> drugs..."?  it's not in his music...
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> In  50% of his music, pupa!
>
> you are obviously too young for those times
>
> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds   (hint =>  LSD )

I'm in the 1968 encyclopedia britannica year book in an article on
flower children in a photograph under the haight ashbury sign. I was
born in 1949. I even saw George Harrison walking down Haight one
day. And you are so so silly!! 50%? 50%? Phew. What poor
science!! Everybody with the least bit of hippitude knows it's
54.071% of john lennon's music that pushed for drug use. And the LSD
of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was the mormon splinter group--
Latter Saints of the Day--which the beatles were trying to get people
hooked on after their disappointment in india. miranda

[Sanity]

On Sep 11, 11:12 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "sam" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:df49aacb-acde-43b0-8fc7-***@d12g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 8, 5:14 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "Sanity" <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:83b93f69-7d1d-47c1-a5db-***@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > > > AND ???
>
> > > > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > > > > meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > > > > he just wants to pay for his dope
> > > > > and stay brain dead,
> > > > > which he did for years and years
> > > > > in his NY apartment
>
> > > > > While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> > > <snippith crappith>
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > >Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
> > > >self generated negative loop. I suggest editing your attempts to
> > > >enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
> > > >sound-byte.
>
> > > What ?
>
> > lennon promoted music and not his personal lifestyle.  he was far more
> > responsible regarding what many will call his 'bad habits' by keeping
> > them to himself than most people of his stature.
>
> > where do you get the idea lennon advocated the use of drugs, and i
> > quote you here, "Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on
> > drugs..."?  it's not in his music...
>
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> > In  50% of his music, pupa!
>
> > you are obviously too young for those times
>
> > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds   (hint =>  LSD )
>
> I'm in the 1968 encyclopedia britannica year book in an article on
> flower children in a photograph under the haight ashbury sign.  I was
> born in 1949.  I even saw George Harrison walking down Haight one
> day.  And you are so so silly!!  50%? 50%?  Phew.  What poor
> science!!  Everybody with the least bit of hippitude knows it's
> 54.071% of john lennon's music that pushed for drug use.   And the LSD
> of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was the mormon splinter group--
> Latter Saints of the Day--which the beatles were trying to get people
> hooked on after their disappointment in india.       miranda- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL! Truck mechanic school in the Marines taught me LSD stood for
“limited slip differential” [a.k.a. “positive traction”] and my
Gummint wouldn’t lie to me! %~\

[Rick]

Obama driving on LSD on 9/11

"I was driving down Lake Shore Drive in Chicago," Mr. Obama told CBS
News correspondent Anthony Mason in an interview for "Sunday Morning."
"I was a state senator at the time, as well as teaching law and
practicing law. I was going to a senate hearing. I don't remember what
the topic was. And I remember turning the dial on the radio and
somebody saying, 'A plane's crashed in the World Trade Center.'

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20095122-503544.html?tag=contentMain;contentBody

[Sanity]

On Sep 12, 8:02 am, Rick <***@dishmail.net> wrote:
> Obama driving on LSD on 9/11
>
> "I was driving down Lake Shore Drive in Chicago," Mr. Obama told CBS
> News correspondent Anthony Mason in an interview for "Sunday Morning."
> "I was a state senator at the time, as well as teaching law and
> practicing law. I was going to a senate hearing. I don't remember what
> the topic was. And I remember turning the dial on the radio and
> somebody saying, 'A plane's crashed in the World Trade Center.'
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20095122-503544.html?tag=conte...

I think Obama is a tad young to be using Reagan's "I don't remember"
excuse... %~\

[spiritrising]

Sanity wrote:
> On Sep 11, 11:12 pm, miranda howe<***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "sam"<***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> news:df49aacb-acde-43b0-8fc7-***@d12g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 8, 5:14 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> "Sanity"<sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>
>>>> news:83b93f69-7d1d-47c1-a5db-***@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe<***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> "whistler"<***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>> news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> "miranda howe"<***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>>>>> news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>> On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe<***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> just gimme some kinda truth, man
>>>>>>>> John Lennon
>>
>>>>>>> Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>>
>>>>>> AND ???
>>
>>>>>> and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
>>>>>> meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
>>>>>> he just wants to pay for his dope
>>>>>> and stay brain dead,
>>>>>> which he did for years and years
>>>>>> in his NY apartment
>>
>>>>>> While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
>>>>>> dope puss-y tricks.
>>
>>>> <snippith crappith>
>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>>>> Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
>>>>> self generated negative loop. I suggest editing your attempts to
>>>>> enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
>>>>> sound-byte.
>>
>>>> What ?
>>
>>> lennon promoted music and not his personal lifestyle. he was far more
>>> responsible regarding what many will call his 'bad habits' by keeping
>>> them to himself than most people of his stature.
>>
>>> where do you get the idea lennon advocated the use of drugs, and i
>>> quote you here, "Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on
>>> drugs..."? it's not in his music...
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>>
>>> In 50% of his music, pupa!
>>
>>> you are obviously too young for those times
>>
>>> Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )
>>
>> I'm in the 1968 encyclopedia britannica year book in an article on
>> flower children in a photograph under the haight ashbury sign. I was
>> born in 1949. I even saw George Harrison walking down Haight one
>> day. And you are so so silly!! 50%? 50%? Phew. What poor
>> science!! Everybody with the least bit of hippitude knows it's
>> 54.071% of john lennon's music that pushed for drug use. And the LSD
>> of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was the mormon splinter group--
>> Latter Saints of the Day--which the beatles were trying to get people
>> hooked on after their disappointment in india. miranda- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> LOL! Truck mechanic school in the Marines taught me LSD stood for
> “limited slip differential” [a.k.a. “positive traction”] and my
> Gummint wouldn’t lie to me! %~\

marines used a detroit lockers in the vehicles not limited slip.

[r***@yahoo.com]

On Sep 12, 5:12 am, Sanity <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Sep 11, 11:12 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "sam" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:df49aacb-acde-43b0-8fc7-***@d12g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 8, 5:14 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "Sanity" <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:83b93f69-7d1d-47c1-a5db-***@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > > > > AND ???
>
> > > > > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > > > > > meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > > > > > he just wants to pay for his dope
> > > > > > and stay brain dead,
> > > > > > which he did for years and years
> > > > > > in his NY apartment
>
> > > > > > While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > > > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> > > > <snippith crappith>
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > >Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
> > > > >self generated negative loop. I suggest editing your attempts to
> > > > >enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
> > > > >sound-byte.
>
> > > > What ?
>
> > > lennon promoted music and not his personal lifestyle.  he was far more
> > > responsible regarding what many will call his 'bad habits' by keeping
> > > them to himself than most people of his stature.
>
> > > where do you get the idea lennon advocated the use of drugs, and i
> > > quote you here, "Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on
> > > drugs..."?  it's not in his music...
>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> > > In  50% of his music, pupa!
>
> > > you are obviously too young for those times
>
> > > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds   (hint =>  LSD )
>
> > I'm in the 1968 encyclopedia britannica year book in an article on
> > flower children in a photograph under the haight ashbury sign.  I was
> > born in 1949.  I even saw George Harrison walking down Haight one
> > day.  And you are so so silly!!  50%? 50%?  Phew.  What poor
> > science!!  Everybody with the least bit of hippitude knows it's
> > 54.071% of john lennon's music that pushed for drug use.   And the LSD
> > of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was the mormon splinter group--
> > Latter Saints of the Day--which the beatles were trying to get people
> > hooked on after their disappointment in india.       miranda- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> LOL!  Truck mechanic school in the Marines taught me LSD stood for
> “limited slip differential” [a.k.a. “positive traction”] and my
> Gummint wouldn’t lie to me!   %~\- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Interesting...limited slip and positive traction are similair....but
not the same thing

[Sanity]

On Sep 12, 11:29 am, "***@yahoo.com"
<***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 5:12 am, Sanity <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 11, 11:12 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "sam" <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:df49aacb-acde-43b0-8fc7-***@d12g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 8, 5:14 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > "Sanity" <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:83b93f69-7d1d-47c1-a5db-***@a7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > On Sep 7, 11:29 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > > > > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > > > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > > > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > > > > > AND ???
>
> > > > > > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > > > > > > meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > > > > > > he just wants to pay for his dope
> > > > > > > and stay brain dead,
> > > > > > > which he did for years and years
> > > > > > > in his NY apartment
>
> > > > > > > While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > > > > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> > > > > <snippith crappith>
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > > >Forsooth (I love that archaic talk.) huhie is obviously trapped in his
> > > > > >self generated negative loop. I suggest editing your attempts to
> > > > > >enlighten him way down, as he seems unable to focus for longer than a
> > > > > >sound-byte.
>
> > > > > What ?
>
> > > > lennon promoted music and not his personal lifestyle.  he was far more
> > > > responsible regarding what many will call his 'bad habits' by keeping
> > > > them to himself than most people of his stature.
>
> > > > where do you get the idea lennon advocated the use of drugs, and i
> > > > quote you here, "Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on
> > > > drugs..."?  it's not in his music...
>
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
> > > > In  50% of his music, pupa!
>
> > > > you are obviously too young for those times
>
> > > > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds   (hint =>  LSD )
>
> > > I'm in the 1968 encyclopedia britannica year book in an article on
> > > flower children in a photograph under the haight ashbury sign.  I was
> > > born in 1949.  I even saw George Harrison walking down Haight one
> > > day.  And you are so so silly!!  50%? 50%?  Phew.  What poor
> > > science!!  Everybody with the least bit of hippitude knows it's
> > > 54.071% of john lennon's music that pushed for drug use.   And the LSD
> > > of Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds was the mormon splinter group--
> > > Latter Saints of the Day--which the beatles were trying to get people
> > > hooked on after their disappointment in india.       miranda- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > LOL!  Truck mechanic school in the Marines taught me LSD stood for
> > “limited slip differential” [a.k.a. “positive traction”] and my
> > Gummint wouldn’t lie to me!   %~\- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Interesting...limited slip and positive traction are similair....but
> not the same thing- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

"He who defines the terms wins the debate." Your sources please, or
is this just your word against mine and my instructors? I enjoy being
enlightened by others, so please do.

[spiritrising]

Sanity wrote:
> positive traction

one uses clutches (limited slip) and one uses gears(positive traction),
they are made totally different.clutches depend on friction but positive
traction can be turned on or off depending on how it is set up.

[Pat Easterling]

On Sep 8, 12:29 am, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > >John Lennon
>
> > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > AND ???
>
> > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> >      meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> >                 he just wants to pay for his dope
> >                             and stay brain dead,
> >                                 which he did for years and years
> >                                             in his NY apartment
>
> > While Yokook-o   Omno   kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> You seem to know a lot about this subject, in a limited sort of way,
> but I feel both saddened and amused by
> the twisted lens you see and speak through.  I'm amused because it's
> just so comically stereotypic to view things as you do; the narrow,
> judgmental, ridged, far too easily arrived at, unforgiving, ugly,
> scatological view.
> I can't tell you how many people in bars, around beer-can littered
> tables in hundreds of houses, in innumerable AA meetings, walking
> along streets, from cops standing around in parks, and in many a place
> by all sorts of people I've heard these same exact remarks about
> thousands of people.  And they are always the same, give or take
> variation of what drug and whatever surface details are in play.  So
> it's comic and clownish.
>
> But what saddens me is this: These bursts against addicts are the cry
> and credo of desperate souls locked up in the very words and
> condemnations they are bestowing on others.  To condemn John Lennon
> and to cut him out of humanity as you have is a little moral and
> psychological murder/suicide by which you kill yourself.  Every facet
> of your process is to eliminate and deny love, hope, creativity.  The
> device of this machine of thinking that your post is an example of has
> the elimination of life as its purpose.
>
> And this form of thinking is a drug not unlike heroin and it is just
> as addictive and far more destructive.  People who think like this do
> so reflexively and seek out situations to speak these words for the
> gratification it brings.  These negative thoughts generate bad
> steroids that bathe the brain which causes dopamine (sic) surges which
> sets up a demand for more steroids that'll cause more endorphins to be
> manufactured.  So, your negativity and condemnation of others is your
> own smack, dude.
>
> You got not one undrugged leg to stand on to put John Lennon down.
>
> How do you like truth now?

Wise words.

This applies to many areas. I once heard a visiting old basketball
coach on the Salt Lake City sports radio. He was from back east and
felt free to talk. He hated fan behavior; gave the example of the
Utah Jazz and all the shit the coach was catching after a winning
season and early elimination from the post season. He said that in
any objective view, given the players, injuries etc, it was a great
winning season and Coach Sloan had done a great job.

Similarly I just read Dylan's autobiography. I was impressed by his
honest desperation faced with catching shit from musicians (David
Bowie, Joan Baez etc) and the public. Everyone hounding him to be the
leader and bitterly dissapointed that he HATED being called the
Socially Conscious Voice of American Youth while "fans" hounded his
home and family, went through his garbage, and harassed him terribly.
He writes that he did the Self Portrait album of poorly done music and
did things like going to Israel all in an attempt to become less of a
figure, or less in the cross hairs. Once in an interview with Rolling
Stone, when asked about politics and such, he said something like,
hey, I just write songs and sing, I'm a musician.

as he put it in a different context

Go 'way from my window
Leave at your own chosen speed
I'm not the one you want, babe
I'm not the one you need
You say you're lookin' for someone
Who's never weak but always strong
To protect you an' defend you
Whether you are right or wrong
Someone to open each and every door
But it ain't me, babe

[Sanity]

On Sep 8, 12:11 pm, Pat Easterling <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 12:29 am, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > AND ???
>
> > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > >      meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > >                 he just wants to pay for his dope
> > >                             and stay brain dead,
> > >                                 which he did for years and years
> > >                                             in his NY apartment
>
> > > While Yokook-o   Omno   kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> > You seem to know a lot about this subject, in a limited sort of way,
> > but I feel both saddened and amused by
> > the twisted lens you see and speak through.  I'm amused because it's
> > just so comically stereotypic to view things as you do; the narrow,
> > judgmental, ridged, far too easily arrived at, unforgiving, ugly,
> > scatological view.
> > I can't tell you how many people in bars, around beer-can littered
> > tables in hundreds of houses, in innumerable AA meetings, walking
> > along streets, from cops standing around in parks, and in many a place
> > by all sorts of people I've heard these same exact remarks about
> > thousands of people.  And they are always the same, give or take
> > variation of what drug and whatever surface details are in play.  So
> > it's comic and clownish.
>
> > But what saddens me is this: These bursts against addicts are the cry
> > and credo of desperate souls locked up in the very words and
> > condemnations they are bestowing on others.  To condemn John Lennon
> > and to cut him out of humanity as you have is a little moral and
> > psychological murder/suicide by which you kill yourself.  Every facet
> > of your process is to eliminate and deny love, hope, creativity.  The
> > device of this machine of thinking that your post is an example of has
> > the elimination of life as its purpose.
>
> > And this form of thinking is a drug not unlike heroin and it is just
> > as addictive and far more destructive.  People who think like this do
> > so reflexively and seek out situations to speak these words for the
> > gratification it brings.  These negative thoughts generate bad
> > steroids that bathe the brain which causes dopamine (sic) surges which
> > sets up a demand for more steroids that'll cause more endorphins to be
> > manufactured.  So, your negativity and condemnation of others is your
> > own smack, dude.
>
> > You got not one undrugged leg to stand on to put John Lennon down.
>
> > How do you like truth now?
>
> Wise words.
>
> This applies to many areas.  I once heard a visiting old basketball
> coach on the Salt Lake City sports radio. He was from back east and
> felt free to talk.  He hated fan behavior; gave the example of the
> Utah Jazz and all the shit the coach was catching after a winning
> season and early elimination from the post season.  He said that in
> any objective view, given the players, injuries etc, it was a great
> winning season and Coach Sloan had done a great job.
>
> Similarly I just read Dylan's autobiography.  I was impressed by his
> honest desperation faced with catching shit from musicians (David
> Bowie, Joan Baez etc) and the public. Everyone hounding him to be the
> leader and bitterly dissapointed that he HATED being called the
> Socially Conscious Voice of American Youth while "fans" hounded his
> home and family, went through his garbage, and harassed him terribly.
> He writes that he did the Self Portrait album of poorly done music and
> did things like going to Israel all in an attempt to become less of a
> figure, or less in the cross hairs.  Once in an interview with Rolling
> Stone, when asked about politics and such, he said something like,
> hey, I just write songs and sing, I'm a musician.
>
> as he put it in a different context
>
> Go 'way from my window
> Leave at your own chosen speed
> I'm not the one you want, babe
> I'm not the one you need
> You say you're lookin' for someone
> Who's never weak but always strong
> To protect you an' defend you
> Whether you are right or wrong
> Someone to open each and every door
> But it ain't me, babe- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Idolatry sucks.

[miranda howe]

On Sep 8, 12:11 pm, Pat Easterling <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 12:29 am, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > > >John Lennon
>
> > > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > > AND ???
>
> > > and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> > >      meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> > >                 he just wants to pay for his dope
> > >                             and stay brain dead,
> > >                                 which he did for years and years
> > >                                             in his NY apartment
>
> > > While Yokook-o   Omno   kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> > > dope puss-y tricks.
>
> > You seem to know a lot about this subject, in a limited sort of way,
> > but I feel both saddened and amused by
> > the twisted lens you see and speak through.  I'm amused because it's
> > just so comically stereotypic to view things as you do; the narrow,
> > judgmental, ridged, far too easily arrived at, unforgiving, ugly,
> > scatological view.
> > I can't tell you how many people in bars, around beer-can littered
> > tables in hundreds of houses, in innumerable AA meetings, walking
> > along streets, from cops standing around in parks, and in many a place
> > by all sorts of people I've heard these same exact remarks about
> > thousands of people.  And they are always the same, give or take
> > variation of what drug and whatever surface details are in play.  So
> > it's comic and clownish.
>
> > But what saddens me is this: These bursts against addicts are the cry
> > and credo of desperate souls locked up in the very words and
> > condemnations they are bestowing on others.  To condemn John Lennon
> > and to cut him out of humanity as you have is a little moral and
> > psychological murder/suicide by which you kill yourself.  Every facet
> > of your process is to eliminate and deny love, hope, creativity.  The
> > device of this machine of thinking that your post is an example of has
> > the elimination of life as its purpose.
>
> > And this form of thinking is a drug not unlike heroin and it is just
> > as addictive and far more destructive.  People who think like this do
> > so reflexively and seek out situations to speak these words for the
> > gratification it brings.  These negative thoughts generate bad
> > steroids that bathe the brain which causes dopamine (sic) surges which
> > sets up a demand for more steroids that'll cause more endorphins to be
> > manufactured.  So, your negativity and condemnation of others is your
> > own smack, dude.
>
> > You got not one undrugged leg to stand on to put John Lennon down.
>
> > How do you like truth now?
>
> Wise words.
>
> This applies to many areas.  I once heard a visiting old basketball
> coach on the Salt Lake City sports radio. He was from back east and
> felt free to talk.  He hated fan behavior; gave the example of the
> Utah Jazz and all the shit the coach was catching after a winning
> season and early elimination from the post season.  He said that in
> any objective view, given the players, injuries etc, it was a great
> winning season and Coach Sloan had done a great job.
>
> Similarly I just read Dylan's autobiography.  I was impressed by his
> honest desperation faced with catching shit from musicians (David
> Bowie, Joan Baez etc) and the public. Everyone hounding him to be the
> leader and bitterly dissapointed that he HATED being called the
> Socially Conscious Voice of American Youth while "fans" hounded his
> home and family, went through his garbage, and harassed him terribly.
> He writes that he did the Self Portrait album of poorly done music and
> did things like going to Israel all in an attempt to become less of a
> figure, or less in the cross hairs.  Once in an interview with Rolling
> Stone, when asked about politics and such, he said something like,
> hey, I just write songs and sing, I'm a musician.
>
> as he put it in a different context
>
> Go 'way from my window
> Leave at your own chosen speed
> I'm not the one you want, babe
> I'm not the one you need
> You say you're lookin' for someone
> Who's never weak but always strong
> To protect you an' defend you
> Whether you are right or wrong
> Someone to open each and every door
> But it ain't me, babe

yes. on the other hand, dylan stalked buddy holly! chris
kristofersen stalked johnny cash. but yes. Idiot Wind is about this
too, "even you yesterday had to ask me where it was at. I couldn't
believe after all these years you didn't know me any better than
that." Of course "Like a Rolling Stone" is all over this. Every
verse is a different permutation, in fact. And in fact, so important
is this issue-- the issues of truth/identity/denial/reality-fantasy/
community-individual all wrapped up in the crust of class infused with
the ooze of crime and the guilt of victimhood is what makes Like a
Rolling Stone the number one rock song ever on most lists. it takes
no prisoners. It lays bare the American class system, indicts
everyone. There just are no perfect people in that universe. No one
who can say a junky is a junky without tipping their felonious
codependence by the scent of poppies on their passport. "you used to
laugh about everyone that was hangin out" is very much the point about
people who mock and scorn and condemn people like addicts only to
learn they are identical to what they've put down.

We are all in this together. We are all saints and criminals. People
are addicted to all kinds of things and might even go three score and
ten and never know their whole existence has been wrapped around and
crippled by addictions to sugar or tobacco or credit cards or ideas
that are false but fearsome or obsessions with religion.

Thanks, Pat, for bringing up that wonderful autobiography. Love,
Miranda

[huhie]

"miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:52ec57da-b9e1-44de-966c-***@f31g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > >John Lennon
>
> > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> AND ???
>
>> and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
>> meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
>> he just wants to pay for his dope
>> and stay brain dead,
>> which he did for years and years
>> in his NY apartment
>>
>> While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
>> dope puss-y tricks.

>You seem to know a lot about this subject, in a limited sort of way,
>but I feel both saddened and amused by
>the twisted lens you see and speak through.

no, I have removed the media lens to protray him as "Good", a "Hero" so
they can sell his records.


>I'm amused because it's
>just so comically stereotypic to view things as you do; the narrow,
>judgmental, ridged, far too easily arrived at, unforgiving, ugly,
>scatological view.

no, you amazed someone called Lennon a Heroin addict.

>I can't tell you how many people in bars, around beer-can littered
>tables in hundreds of houses, in innumerable AA meetings, walking
>along streets, from cops standing around in parks, and in many a place
>by all sorts of people I've heard these same exact remarks about
>thousands of people. And they are always the same, give or take
>variation of what drug and whatever surface details are in play. So
>it's comic and clownish.

>But what saddens me is this: These bursts against addicts are the cry
>and credo of desperate souls locked up in the very words and
>condemnations they are bestowing on others.

that is just that stale new-age self centerness, and illogical thinking.

>To condemn John Lennon
>and to cut him out of humanity as you have is a little moral and
>psychological murder/suicide by which you kill yourself.

BS, Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on drugs and was
sucessful, not me.

>Every facet
>of your process is to eliminate and deny love, hope, creativity.

wrong, you do not know what I think. Lennon stands for LSD, heroin, ALchaol
addiction. He did have some good tunes, but many are sick manifistations of
a derranged mind poluted by vial nasty skoitiod causeing drugs.

>The
>device of this machine of thinking that your post is an example of has
>the elimination of life as its purpose.

"......elimination of life as its purpose....." you got to that one too
quick !


>And this form of thinking is a drug not unlike heroin and it is just
>as addictive and far more destructive.

wrong, thoutless one, heroin is far more addictive and destructive

>People who think like this do
>so reflexively and seek out situations to speak these words for the
>gratification it brings. These negative thoughts generate bad
>steroids that bathe the brain which causes dopamine (sic) surges which
>sets up a demand for more steroids that'll cause more endorphins to be
>manufactured. So, your negativity and condemnation of others is your
>own smack, dude.

dream on, that is your delusion, keep living in it, which you will in any
case.


>You got not one undrugged leg to stand on to put John Lennon down.

=> Deny that John Lennon was a Heroin Addict. <=

>How do you like truth now?

that is your delusion, pupa.

you justify use of all addictive drugs rather that use one negative
statement, guess your mummy taught you that.

[miranda howe]

On Sep 8, 5:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:52ec57da-b9e1-44de-966c-***@f31g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "whistler" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > > >John Lennon
>
> > > Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>
> > AND ???
>
> >> and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
> >> meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
> >> he just wants to pay for his dope
> >> and stay brain dead,
> >> which he did for years and years
> >> in his NY apartment
>
> >> While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
> >> dope puss-y tricks.
> >You seem to know a lot about this subject, in a limited sort of way,
> >but I feel both saddened and amused by
> >the twisted lens you see and speak through.
>
> no, I have removed the media lens to protray him as "Good",  a "Hero" so
> they can sell his records.
>
> >I'm amused because it's
> >just so comically stereotypic to view things as you do; the narrow,
> >judgmental, ridged, far too easily arrived at, unforgiving, ugly,
> >scatological view.
>
> no, you amazed someone called Lennon a Heroin addict.
>
> >I can't tell you how many people in bars, around beer-can littered
> >tables in hundreds of houses, in innumerable AA meetings, walking
> >along streets, from cops standing around in parks, and in many a place
> >by all sorts of people I've heard these same exact remarks about
> >thousands of people.  And they are always the same, give or take
> >variation of what drug and whatever surface details are in play.  So
> >it's comic and clownish.
> >But what saddens me is this: These bursts against addicts are the cry
> >and credo of desperate souls locked up in the very words and
> >condemnations they are bestowing on others.
>
> that is just that stale new-age self centerness, and illogical thinking.
>
> >To condemn John Lennon
> >and to cut him out of humanity as you have is a little moral and
> >psychological murder/suicide by which you kill yourself.
>
> BS, Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on drugs and was
> sucessful, not me.
>
> >Every facet
> >of your process is to eliminate and deny love, hope, creativity.
>
> wrong, you do not know what I think. Lennon stands for LSD, heroin, ALchaol
> addiction.  He did have some good tunes, but many are sick manifistations of
> a derranged mind poluted by vial nasty skoitiod causeing drugs.
>
> >The
> >device of this machine of thinking that your post is an example of has
> >the elimination of life as its purpose.
>
> "......elimination of life as its purpose....."  you got to that one too
> quick !
>
> >And this form of thinking is a drug not unlike heroin and it is just
> >as addictive and far more destructive.
>
> wrong, thoutless one, heroin is far more addictive and destructive
>
> >People who think like this do
> >so reflexively and seek out situations to speak these words for the
> >gratification it brings.  These negative thoughts generate bad
> >steroids that bathe the brain which causes dopamine (sic) surges which
> >sets up a demand for more steroids that'll cause more endorphins to be
> >manufactured.  So, your negativity and condemnation of others is your
> >own smack, dude.
>
> dream on, that is your delusion, keep living in it, which you will in any
> case.
>
> >You got not one undrugged leg to stand on to put John Lennon down.
>
> =>  Deny that John Lennon was a Heroin Addict. <=
>
> >How do you like truth now?
>
> that is your delusion, pupa.
>
> you justify use of all addictive drugs rather that use one negative
> statement, guess your mummy taught you that.


That IS funny. John Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on
drugs? That's just an extraordinary statement. To me, it's an
unaccountable point of view. What possibly would be his motive?
Surely not to sell records when all a junky's dough goes on junk.
Besides, Lennon wasn't making records...

Show me one place anywhere in my writing where I deny Lennon was
sometime a heroin addict? Of course he was. Who cares? I'm not not
going to judge him or anyone for addiction. I'm not going to judge
you for your addictive, compulsive judgmentalism. But, since I've got
the energy at the moment, I'm making notice in words that you have
this typical obsession which is the flip side of the coin from
Lennon's addiction.

But also I want to say I have compassion for you and for Lennon.
Addictions are horrific, terrible beasts.
I feel so sorry for all Lennon suffered. I feel sorry for you because
you hurt so bad. love, miranda

[spiritrising]

miranda howe wrote:
> On Sep 8, 5:13 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> "miranda howe"<***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:52ec57da-b9e1-44de-966c-***@f31g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "whistler"<***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> "miranda howe"<***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>>> news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe<***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> just gimme some kinda truth, man
>>>>> John Lennon
>>
>>>> Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>>
>>> AND ???
>>
>>>> and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
>>>> meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
>>>> he just wants to pay for his dope
>>>> and stay brain dead,
>>>> which he did for years and years
>>>> in his NY apartment
>>
>>>> While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
>>>> dope puss-y tricks.
>>> You seem to know a lot about this subject, in a limited sort of way,
>>> but I feel both saddened and amused by
>>> the twisted lens you see and speak through.
>>
>> no, I have removed the media lens to protray him as "Good", a "Hero" so
>> they can sell his records.
>>
>>> I'm amused because it's
>>> just so comically stereotypic to view things as you do; the narrow,
>>> judgmental, ridged, far too easily arrived at, unforgiving, ugly,
>>> scatological view.
>>
>> no, you amazed someone called Lennon a Heroin addict.
>>
>>> I can't tell you how many people in bars, around beer-can littered
>>> tables in hundreds of houses, in innumerable AA meetings, walking
>>> along streets, from cops standing around in parks, and in many a place
>>> by all sorts of people I've heard these same exact remarks about
>>> thousands of people. And they are always the same, give or take
>>> variation of what drug and whatever surface details are in play. So
>>> it's comic and clownish.
>>> But what saddens me is this: These bursts against addicts are the cry
>>> and credo of desperate souls locked up in the very words and
>>> condemnations they are bestowing on others.
>>
>> that is just that stale new-age self centerness, and illogical thinking.
>>
>>> To condemn John Lennon
>>> and to cut him out of humanity as you have is a little moral and
>>> psychological murder/suicide by which you kill yourself.
>>
>> BS, Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on drugs and was
>> sucessful, not me.
>>
>>> Every facet
>>> of your process is to eliminate and deny love, hope, creativity.
>>
>> wrong, you do not know what I think. Lennon stands for LSD, heroin, ALchaol
>> addiction. He did have some good tunes, but many are sick manifistations of
>> a derranged mind poluted by vial nasty skoitiod causeing drugs.
>>
>>> The
>>> device of this machine of thinking that your post is an example of has
>>> the elimination of life as its purpose.
>>
>> "......elimination of life as its purpose....." you got to that one too
>> quick !
>>
>>> And this form of thinking is a drug not unlike heroin and it is just
>>> as addictive and far more destructive.
>>
>> wrong, thoutless one, heroin is far more addictive and destructive
>>
>>> People who think like this do
>>> so reflexively and seek out situations to speak these words for the
>>> gratification it brings. These negative thoughts generate bad
>>> steroids that bathe the brain which causes dopamine (sic) surges which
>>> sets up a demand for more steroids that'll cause more endorphins to be
>>> manufactured. So, your negativity and condemnation of others is your
>>> own smack, dude.
>>
>> dream on, that is your delusion, keep living in it, which you will in any
>> case.
>>
>>> You got not one undrugged leg to stand on to put John Lennon down.
>>
>> => Deny that John Lennon was a Heroin Addict.<=
>>
>>> How do you like truth now?
>>
>> that is your delusion, pupa.
>>
>> you justify use of all addictive drugs rather that use one negative
>> statement, guess your mummy taught you that.
>
>
> That IS funny. John Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on
> drugs? That's just an extraordinary statement. To me, it's an
> unaccountable point of view. What possibly would be his motive?
> Surely not to sell records when all a junky's dough goes on junk.
> Besides, Lennon wasn't making records...
>
> Show me one place anywhere in my writing where I deny Lennon was
> sometime a heroin addict? Of course he was. Who cares? I'm not not
> going to judge him or anyone for addiction. I'm not going to judge
> you for your addictive, compulsive judgmentalism. But, since I've got
> the energy at the moment, I'm making notice in words that you have
> this typical obsession which is the flip side of the coin from
> Lennon's addiction.
>
> But also I want to say I have compassion for you and for Lennon.
> Addictions are horrific, terrible beasts.
> I feel so sorry for all Lennon suffered. I feel sorry for you because
> you hurt so bad. love, miranda

i have an addiction its to air, i surely would suggest everyone try it,
its wonderful, and gives me a great high! i especially like the evening
air when it comes from offshore with a hint of coconuts.

[spiritrising]

huhie wrote:
> "miranda howe"<***@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:52ec57da-b9e1-44de-966c-***@f31g2000prj.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 11:21 am, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> "whistler"<***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:72184812-1387-4749-89d5-***@y21g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 7, 1:29 pm, "huhie"<***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> "miranda howe"<***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe<***@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> just gimme some kinda truth, man
>>>> John Lennon
>>
>>> Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
>>
>> AND ???
>>
>>> and the preceeding song was sloppy drivial,
>>> meaningless lennon puss -y goo dripping from his ears,
>>> he just wants to pay for his dope
>>> and stay brain dead,
>>> which he did for years and years
>>> in his NY apartment
>>>
>>> While Yokook-o Omno kept him dancing like a little butt monkey using
>>> dope puss-y tricks.
>
>> You seem to know a lot about this subject, in a limited sort of way,
>> but I feel both saddened and amused by
>> the twisted lens you see and speak through.
>
> no, I have removed the media lens to protray him as "Good", a "Hero" so
> they can sell his records.
>
>
>> I'm amused because it's
>> just so comically stereotypic to view things as you do; the narrow,
>> judgmental, ridged, far too easily arrived at, unforgiving, ugly,
>> scatological view.
>
> no, you amazed someone called Lennon a Heroin addict.
>
>> I can't tell you how many people in bars, around beer-can littered
>> tables in hundreds of houses, in innumerable AA meetings, walking
>> along streets, from cops standing around in parks, and in many a place
>> by all sorts of people I've heard these same exact remarks about
>> thousands of people. And they are always the same, give or take
>> variation of what drug and whatever surface details are in play. So
>> it's comic and clownish.
>
>> But what saddens me is this: These bursts against addicts are the cry
>> and credo of desperate souls locked up in the very words and
>> condemnations they are bestowing on others.
>
> that is just that stale new-age self centerness, and illogical thinking.
>
>> To condemn John Lennon
>> and to cut him out of humanity as you have is a little moral and
>> psychological murder/suicide by which you kill yourself.
>
> BS, Lennon did his best to get a generation hooked on drugs and was
> sucessful, not me.
>
>> Every facet
>> of your process is to eliminate and deny love, hope, creativity.
>
> wrong, you do not know what I think. Lennon stands for LSD, heroin, ALchaol
> addiction. He did have some good tunes, but many are sick manifistations of
> a derranged mind poluted by vial nasty skoitiod causeing drugs.
>
>> The
>> device of this machine of thinking that your post is an example of has
>> the elimination of life as its purpose.
>
> "......elimination of life as its purpose....." you got to that one too
> quick !
>
>
>> And this form of thinking is a drug not unlike heroin and it is just
>> as addictive and far more destructive.
>
> wrong, thoutless one, heroin is far more addictive and destructive
>
>> People who think like this do
>> so reflexively and seek out situations to speak these words for the
>> gratification it brings. These negative thoughts generate bad
>> steroids that bathe the brain which causes dopamine (sic) surges which
>> sets up a demand for more steroids that'll cause more endorphins to be
>> manufactured. So, your negativity and condemnation of others is your
>> own smack, dude.
>
> dream on, that is your delusion, keep living in it, which you will in any
> case.
>
>
>> You got not one undrugged leg to stand on to put John Lennon down.
>
> => Deny that John Lennon was a Heroin Addict.<=
>
>> How do you like truth now?
>
> that is your delusion, pupa.
>
> you justify use of all addictive drugs rather that use one negative
> statement, guess your mummy taught you that.
>
>

so i imagine you hate sublime as well, bradley nowell, died of a overdose.

[Sanity]

On Sep 7, 10:29 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> >John Lennon
>
> Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.

Not his whole truth. The goddamn lying politicians ALL need to be
screened for drug use!

[huhie]

"Sanity" <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:e63eca0d-d139-42d2-b3df-***@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 7, 10:29 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > just gimme some kinda truth, man
>> >John Lennon
>>
>> Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.

>Not his whole truth. The goddamn lying politicians ALL need to be
>screened for drug use!


AGREE 100% random drug tests for all politiciians, THEY CANT BE THAT DUMB,
they must be on drugs!

[Sanity]

On Sep 8, 5:16 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> "Sanity" <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:e63eca0d-d139-42d2-b3df-***@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 7, 10:29 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> >> >John Lennon
>
> >> Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
> >Not his whole truth.  The goddamn lying politicians ALL need to be
> >screened for drug use!
>
> AGREE 100% random drug tests for all politiciians,  THEY CANT BE THAT DUMB,
> they must be on drugs!

Drugs are not the problem. Greed and Hypocrisy are the problems. It
is hypocritical of "them" to condemn drugs, because they get high
too. The rich go to re-hab and the poor go to prison.

[miranda howe]

On Sep 8, 6:22 pm, Sanity <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 5:16 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Sanity" <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:e63eca0d-d139-42d2-b3df-***@o15g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> > On Sep 7, 10:29 am, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > "miranda howe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:7f10294e-27b0-487b-9cfa-***@a12g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> > > On Sep 5, 6:53 pm, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > just gimme some kinda truth, man
> > >> >John Lennon
>
> > >> Lennon was a heroin addict for 15 years, and that is his truth.
> > >Not his whole truth.  The goddamn lying politicians ALL need to be
> > >screened for drug use!
>
> > AGREE 100% random drug tests for all politiciians,  THEY CANT BE THAT DUMB,
> > they must be on drugs!
>
> Drugs are not the problem.  Greed and Hypocrisy are the problems.  It
> is hypocritical of "them" to condemn drugs, because they get high
> too.  The rich go to re-hab and the poor go to prison.

amen

[miranda howe]

On Sep 12, 5:07 am, Sanity <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 2:06 am, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 11, 2:30 pm, Pat Easterling <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 11, 1:26 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
>
> > > <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > "Connie" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> > > > >news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
>
> > > > > Julian's drawing
> > > > > Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> > > > > the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> > > > > drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> > > > > classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> > > > > that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> > > > > had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> > > > > I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> > > > > Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> > > > > remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> > > > > throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> > > > > attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> > > > > his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> > > > > Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> > > > > hidden reference to LSD.
>
> > > > > “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> > > > > pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> > > > > bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> > > > > imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
>
> > > > > Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
>
> > > > > nice story, **but not true at all.**
>
> > > > > Everyone over 50 knows that.
>
> > > > its sure is nice toi not be  "everybody"....
>
> > > I know that this is an un-moderated forum, for some good reasons (I
> > > guess), but I sure wish it had the feature "Ignore posts by xxx" so I
> > > could just not have to wade through some posters let us say, odd
> > > thoughts.  Though on the other hand, responses such as M's have been
> > > good to read, and I guess unless those who'd I judge to be confused
> > > (at a lower level than my confusion level) posted, I'd never have....
>
> > Thanks!  I just love writing.  I love truth.  I love fresh approaches
> > that dismantle and heal cliche and stereotype.  And I've been there in
> > stupidville condemning certain people and believing I was superior.
> > And I bless the day I was shown the light and stopped thinking in
> > boxes.  And I committed to never forget the ins and outs of it and
> > committed to be able to write about it.  love, miranda- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Ahem: Your 'box' is a whole lot bigger than it used to be, as is mine,
> but I don't think either of us or anyone else here can yet righteously
> claim knowledge of "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
> truth" either.
>
> That we [you, I, and everyone else who loves the truth] do our best is
> good enough for me, and if God wants better than our best,
> well.......  I am still making mistakes, and learning from them.   :^)

That isn't for one moment what I was saying. Check it out: I'm
exactly in this thread talking about the transcendental mind that,
while observing and even utilizing "boxes" (sic: linear, binary, black-
and-white, compartmentalized thought patterns), one isn't emotionally
or spiritually or intellectually searching for, hanging onto or
mourning absolutes. Fuck absolutes. I surrender.

I'm never competing. I'm just not into right or wrong. I find the
concept of winning or losing to be the ridiculous and tragic uber
paradigm. The bible gitgo is that wretched shit. "Here's this
gorgeous garden my beautiful children. Now DON'T." Well fuck me!
Ready set go for misery. Misery artificially imposed. I mean as if
this world of microbes, earthquakes, precipices, fangs, tusks, claws,
volcanoes, gravity bound tree branches, breach births, tornadoes,
flood, poisons and old age needs humans sitting around coming up with
more ways and reasons to hurt, maim and kill each other and just
generally impose more limits. Terrible, terrible. Ultimately, it gets
skyscrapers crashed into and countries invaded with a half million
citizens murdered. That's truth.

You see, in advanced math everything is its own opposite. So positive
two equals negative two. So they cancel each other out. So what do
you got then? Nothing. Well so the minute you bring up something as
being right or wrong you bring up the opposite by implication. And
you got nothing. What I mean by that in terms of human reality is
that wrong and right and the scale of good better best is just an
illusion. Right and wrong are just made up. They have definite
usefulness like saying "I'll do better" when someone questions your
dysfunctional behavior, and that's genuinely lovely and true when you
endeavor to be mindful then.

But to set out some sort of grid of good and bad and round up every
act and every actor in boxes accordingly is just tragic. Is
crippling; is illness; is death. Yet it's as common as rain where it
rains or lack of rain where there's drought. People set up these
patterns out of fear and greed. If I can yell about John Lennon as a
heroin addict then by implication I'm better than he was. If
I negate any of John Lennon's work because he was an addict then it's
ok I've never produced anything. If I condemn people who disagree
with me as very bad then I must be very good. And never mind the
subject matter. Ideas wither and die in such a climate.

So of course I don't know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but
the truth. Or do I? Hmmm. Upon reflection maybe I do. And so do
you. And so does everyone here. I had an epiphany in '89. And no.
It's not just a bigger box. I saw the light. Oh, yeah, it's an
ongoing thing. No. I'm not god. Well... maybe. So's huhie. He she
it is just sleeping. We are each just masks of the god head. The
truth contains both good and bad. But maybe I'm wrong.
Love, Miranda

[Sanity]

On Sep 13, 1:20 am, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 5:07 am, Sanity <sanity-***@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> > On Sep 12, 2:06 am, miranda howe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Sep 11, 2:30 pm, Pat Easterling <***@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Sep 11, 1:26 pm, "***@yahoo.com"
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> > > > <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Sep 10, 6:15 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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> > > > > > "Connie" <***@cox.net> wrote in message
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> > > > > >news:a5526eb5-7e1c-49a6-8c2a-***@x32g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > On Sep 9, 4:13 pm, "huhie" <***@invalid.invalid> wrote:
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> > > > > > > Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds (hint => LSD )- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_in_the_Sky_with_Diamonds
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> > > > > > Julian's drawing
> > > > > > Julian's drawing Lucy in the Sky With DiamondsLennon's inspiration for
> > > > > > the song came when his son, Julian, showed him a nursery school
> > > > > > drawing he called "Lucy - in the sky with diamonds", depicting his
> > > > > > classmate, Lucy O'Donnell. Julian said, "I don't know why I called it
> > > > > > that or why it stood out from all my other drawings, but I obviously
> > > > > > had an affection for Lucy at that age. I used to show dad everything
> > > > > > I'd built or painted at school, and this one sparked off the idea..."
> > > > > > Lucy Vodden née O'Donnell, in a BBC radio interview in 2007, said, "I
> > > > > > remember Julian and I both doing pictures on a double-sided easel,
> > > > > > throwing paint at each other, much to the horror of the classroom
> > > > > > attendant... Julian had painted a picture and on that particular day
> > > > > > his father turned up with the chauffeur to pick him up from school."
> > > > > > Lennon said he was surprised at the idea that the song title was a
> > > > > > hidden reference to LSD.
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> > > > > > “ It was purely unconscious that it came out to be LSD. Until someone
> > > > > > pointed it out, I never even thought of it. I mean, who would ever
> > > > > > bother to look at initials of a title? It's not an acid song. The
> > > > > > imagery was Alice in the boat. ”
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> > > > > > Vodden died of the immune system disease lupus in 2009.
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> > > > > > nice story, **but not true at all.**
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> > > > > > Everyone over 50 knows that.
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> > > > > its sure is nice toi not be  "everybody"....
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> > > > I know that this is an un-moderated forum, for some good reasons (I
> > > > guess), but I sure wish it had the feature "Ignore posts by xxx" so I
> > > > could just not have to wade through some posters let us say, odd
> > > > thoughts.  Though on the other hand, responses such as M's have been
> > > > good to read, and I guess unless those who'd I judge to be confused
> > > > (at a lower level than my confusion level) posted, I'd never have....
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> > > Thanks!  I just love writing.  I love truth.  I love fresh approaches
> > > that dismantle and heal cliche and stereotype.  And I've been there in
> > > stupidville condemning certain people and believing I was superior.
> > > And I bless the day I was shown the light and stopped thinking in
> > > boxes.  And I committed to never forget the ins and outs of it and
> > > committed to be able to write about it.  love, miranda- Hide quoted text -
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> > Ahem: Your 'box' is a whole lot bigger than it used to be, as is mine,
> > but I don't think either of us or anyone else here can yet righteously
> > claim knowledge of "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the
> > truth" either.
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> > That we [you, I, and everyone else who loves the truth] do our best is
> > good enough for me, and if God wants better than our best,
> > well.......  I am still making mistakes, and learning from them.   :^)
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> That isn't for one moment what I was saying.  Check it out:  I'm
> exactly in this thread talking about the transcendental mind that,
> while observing and even utilizing "boxes" (sic: linear, binary, black-
> and-white, compartmentalized thought patterns), one isn't emotionally
> or spiritually or intellectually searching for, hanging onto or
> mourning absolutes.  Fuck absolutes.  I surrender.
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> I'm never competing.  I'm just not into right or wrong.   I find the
> concept of winning or losing to be the ridiculous and tragic uber
> paradigm.  The bible gitgo is that wretched shit.  "Here's this
> gorgeous garden my beautiful children.  Now DON'T."  Well fuck me!
> Ready set go for misery.  Misery artificially imposed.  I mean as if
> this world of microbes, earthquakes, precipices, fangs, tusks, claws,
> volcanoes, gravity bound tree branches, breach births, tornadoes,
> flood, poisons and old age needs humans sitting around coming up with
> more ways and reasons to hurt, maim and kill each other and just
> generally impose more limits. Terrible, terrible.  Ultimately, it gets
> skyscrapers crashed into and countries invaded with a half million
> citizens murdered.  That's truth.
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> You see, in advanced math everything is its own opposite.  So positive
> two equals negative two.  So they cancel each other out.    So what do
> you got then?  Nothing.  Well so the minute you bring up something as
> being right or wrong you bring up the opposite by implication.  And
> you got nothing.  What I mean by that in terms of human reality is
> that wrong and right and the scale of good better best is just an
> illusion.  Right and wrong are just made up.  They have definite
> usefulness like saying "I'll do better" when someone questions your
> dysfunctional behavior, and that's genuinely lovely and true when you
> endeavor to be mindful then.
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> But to set out some sort of grid of good and bad and round up every
> act and every actor in boxes accordingly is just tragic.  Is
> crippling; is illness; is death.  Yet it's as common as rain where it
> rains or lack of rain where there's drought.  People set up these
> patterns out of fear and greed.  If I can yell about John Lennon as a
> heroin addict then by implication I'm better than he was.  If
> I negate any of John Lennon's work because he was an addict then it's
> ok I've never produced anything.  If I condemn people who disagree
> with me as very bad then I must be very good.   And never mind the
> subject matter.  Ideas wither and die in such a climate.
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> So of course I don't know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but
> the truth.  Or do I?  Hmmm.  Upon reflection maybe I do.  And so do
> you.   And so does everyone here.  I had an epiphany in '89. And no.
> It's not just a bigger box.  I saw the light.  Oh, yeah, it's an
> ongoing thing.  No.  I'm not god. Well... maybe.  So's huhie.  He she
> it is just sleeping.  We are each just masks of the god head.  The
> truth contains both good and bad.  But maybe I'm wrong.
> Love, Miranda- Hide quoted text -
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I think we're on the same page. :^) I used to strive for
perfection, until I realized it was too time consuming, so now I
strive for excellence. The Tao that can be talked about is not the
Eternal Tao, etc.
Lovin' you back, Sanity

[Pokeitwithastick]

only one truth, diz izz h e ll

[miranda howe]

On Sep 13, 5:50 pm, Pokeitwithastick <***@yahoo.com> wrote:
> only one truth, diz izz h e ll

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